Dear Utahns,
It is the trick of tyrants to create an enemy to rally the fearful against- as opposed to having a vision to inspire and lead a people to a better future. While Mia tells you what to fear, she has no vision on how to lead. Don't run with Mia. Run away and towards a brighter future. Vote for Doug Owens for a brighter tomorrow. Loren M. Lambert
© November 1, 2014
Comments....
Randall Adams: "Tuesday night after rising GOP star Mia Love brought down the house with her inspiring convention speech, the stomach-turning Left labeled the black conservative a “token” and an “Aunt Tom.” Meanwhile, revoltingly racist, woman-hating Wikipedia vandals were hard at work updating her entry with disgusting slurs like “House Nigger” and “dirty, worthless whore who needs instant payday loans.” The page called her a “total sell-out to the Right Wing Hate machine and the greedy bigots who control the GOP.” Yup Loren, Mia Love knows the "The Language of Tyrants" well! November 2, 2014 at 7:23pm
Loren M. Lambert: @Randall I've listened to her a number of times and I've talked to many about her and, I nor they, have said such a thing. I disagree with her positions on many issues and it is apparent that beyond what appears to be memorized sound bites, there is no intellectual depth to her own opinions nor understanding of the issues. November 2, 2014 at 7:25pm
Randall Adams And that makes her a "Tyrant" ??? To answer your question Chris, you, Loren and many who read this thread might want to start with a mirror............. November 2, 2014 at 8:05pm
Chris Adler I never said any of those things, so a mirror would be pointless, Randall. Please don't make baseless accusations, complete with "quotes" when you're just making them up. Of course some people use derogatory words against others. It happens regardless of political ideology. I don't use them. Don't try and brand a whole group with your accusations either because that's completely dishonest. November 2, 2014 at 7:32pm
Randall Adams: Take an English class Chris, quotes mean that someone else made those statements. But we agree!!! For you "a mirror would be pointless."
You stated proudly that "some people use derogatory words against others." Try and focus for a moment at the statement that started this exchange..........
"Mia Speaks The Language of Tyrants. Dear Utahns It is the trick of tyrants to create an enemy to rally the fearful against as opposed to having a vision to inspire and lead a people to a better future. While Mia tells you what to fear she has no vision on how to lead" November 2, 2014 at 7:44pm
Loren M. Lambert: Randall, relax man, she's simply wrong. I don't like tyrants nor politicians who rally their base by appealing to their fears- democrats or republicans or others. I didn't say she was tyrant. I said she was borrowing a tactic from their playbook. As do people selling security systems, insurance, etc. And frankly, I'm just toying with you. Yet she still has no intellectual depth nor correct stand on the issues, and she is more about what she is against then what she is for. That’s my opinion based on listening to her. And I support Doug Owens. Go Doug, hope he wins but if he doesn't, what can I say, this is Utah. November 2, 2014 at 8:06pm
Chris Adler: Randall, you're a dishonest fellow. Not interested in discussing this with you any longer. November 2, 2014 at 8:16pm
Dean Probst: This coming from a guy who claimed Obama was one of the most intelligent men in politics? November 2, 2014 at 10:17pm
Loren M. Lambert: If you are referring to me, Dean, I still feel that despite my disagreements with him, despite the unfair attacks against him, despite his imperfections, despite his inability to be the God people expected him to be who voted for him, despite that congress has done everything to destroy him; he has met my expectations, and I stand behind him as having accomplished significant advances for the American people. November 2, 2014 at 10:43pm
Loren M. Lambert: @Randall, at your suggestion, I went and stood before a mirror. Unfortuantely, all I saw was an imperfect, fallable yet earnest person staring me back in the face who is fairly law abiding, hard working, has met or worked with and appreciated every person commenting to this thread and like them all. I just assert the right to speak passionately about the public figures who run for office and to support who I believe is the best candidate, Doug Owens. Go Doug! Let's hope Utah does the right thing despite my well meaning but still nevertheless wrong-on-this-choice fellow Uthans. Oh, yes, and at times I have been a bit of a tyrant in small ways to some of the people in my life, but I have usually recognized it, apologized, and moved on. How bout you Randall Adams? How are you coming on perfection? November 2, 2014 at 10:57pm
D. Michael Martindale: You can tell how effective Mia Love will be by the level of vitriol the left spews against her. They're afraid of her.
November 3, 2014 at 12:56am
Ron NeislerL: Based on that criteria, Obama must be the greatest President of all times. November 3, 2014 at 5:47am
D. Michael Martindale: The only problem, Ron, is what you're calling "vitriol" against Obama is legitimate criticism. What is being uttered against Love is genuine vitriol. The difference is legitimate criticism has meaningful intent to it, where the vitriol is just full of nastiness like "the language of tyrants."
November 3, 2014 at 8:08am
Walter Platz: I haven't seen any discussion of the issues. It started with generalized vitriol toward and no facts about Mia Love and it continues. Liberals have no tactics other than driving hatred for conservatives of all colors. There are no incumbents running in this race.
If you are voting against the incumbent party for this seat, you will vote Republican. Jim Matheson was the incumbent. He's not running. It was President Obama who said his policies, liberal policies, are on the ballot and his Democrat cronies will support him. They just can't say it, he says, until after the election.
If you like Obamacare, the VA run lack-of-healthcare system, the IRS silencing political opponents, apologists for the greatness of America, amnesty for illegal immigrants, the EPA driving businesses out of business, government battling against the Keystone pipeline, or just the general incompetence of big government, then I'd vote Democrat.
It's not just President Obama and Harry Reid either. Big liberal government fails every time it's tried, But liberals think there is another Messiah coming that will make it work the next time. It fails again and again and another Messiah is on the way again and again. Liberal voters keep believing big government will solve their problems and they are bribed off of the economic ladder and continue living in poverty. And the establishment Republicans keep saying they want to work with those liberals and they do, always compromising to increase taxes, make government bigger and steal more money from the real problem solvers, the producers, the makers, and the creators.
No one in government has all of the answers or even knows the questions. But one person, one business knows of one problem and solves that one problem and makes our lives better one product or service at a time. I know my problems. Let me figure out how to solve them. I do a much better job of that than anyone in Washington or anywhere else in government. I just want government to stop making things worse, enforce the laws they swore to uphold, and stop trying to run my life with more laws and more taxes. November 3, 2014 at 2:23pm
Loren M. Lambert D. Micheal wrote me: "I see you've blokced me from responding on the Mia Love thread. Put your last potshot at me in and then silence me. Not very sporting of you. I would have posted: Is it vitriol? Or is it frustration at the vitriol of others?" I responded, “That's weird. I didn't block you. Try again. Let me see what happened. No, D. Michael, I don't care and I don't take it personally. I think you are a very smart person with very outspoken and sometimes shrill opinions.
November 3, 2014 at 3:26pm
Loren M. Lambert Walter Platz, please quote me and then explain how it "drives hatred?" I don't and didn't intend to set forth all of her substantive comments and won't try to persuade you substantively. It wouldn't do any good in this forum. I've just noticed Mia talks a lot about what she is against not what she would do differently. If you believe otherwise, that's fine. I just challenge all to listen to her and decide for yourself. November 3, 2014 at 3:30pm
Loren M. Lambert: @Walter, ps I don't hate you man. Let's go pretend to smoke a doobie sometime together? Cool? (Inside joke). November 3, 2014 at 3:31pm
Loren M. Lambert: Doug Owens, the right choice for conservative Utahns.
November 3, 2014 at 3:56pm
D. Michael Martindale: Apparently it did post it above. At least I see it now. Don't know why it said it was unable to post at the time. November 3, 2014 at 5:16pm
Walter Platz: "Tyrant" drives hatred. I don't know any lovable tyrants. Creating an "enemy to rally the fearful" drives hatred. "Create" is the real hateful word, implying she made it up. Don't drive hatred. Instead of saying Mia Love "created" imaginary tyrants and enemies, tell me exactly what she said that makes you believe that she did and argue against it. I'm willing to listen if you tell me what she said that makes you believe she has unjustly created some tyrant and enemy. Using "tyrant" and "creating an enemy" is creating hatred towards her right out of the 60 year old Democrat playbook. It might still work if she wasn't a successful black woman. Then, if you will, defend the actions of the IRS who silenced the opposition in the last election denying them the right to participate by delaying their tax exempt status. That is an admitted and proven fact. And everyone in the country should be against that and the party that created it. That is a real enemy and it should be feared. If you can't defend the actions, don't project hatred on the opposition pretending they have created some nonexistent enemy. Tell me, what does Doug Owens stand for? Is he for Obamacare? Is he for amnesty? Is he for higher taxes? Is he for bigger government? Those are Obama policies. The President said his policies are on the ballot. I haven't seen anything Owens is for on these positions. All I hear from Democrats is that conservatives hate women and minorities and will take their rights away. As I understand Mia Love's positions, she stands for lower taxes and smaller government and that's what I'm for. She doesn't have to be for anything else as far as I'm concerned. Tell me what she's against that you or Owens are for and afraid of. I don't want arrogant candidates who tell me they have all of the answers and all it takes is another big government program and more money. I am not so naive as to believe Mia Love will deliver, but better to have someone who is for smaller government and lower taxes than someone who is against it. I'm not voting for her. I don't live in her district. I just get tired of the hate against conservatives. November 3, 2014 at 6:16pm
Marc Niceler: I am pretty sure its because she is black. Loren has lots of conservative friends as can be seen on this thread. November 3, 2014 at 8:14pm
Dean Probst: Let the tyranny begin... I gladly voted for Mia! I watched the debates, I listened to each present their views, then I watched Doug run commercials that misrepresented Mia's positions. I would rather have a tyrant in office than a politician willing to say anything to get elected. At least I know what to expect... November 5, 2014 at 7:19am
Loren M. Lambert: We all hear and see what we want. It’s not hard to be an ideologue. I'm sure if Mia shuts her mouth by not speaking off script and votes the party line, she'll please Utahns. November 5, 2014 at 9:10am
It is the trick of tyrants to create an enemy to rally the fearful against- as opposed to having a vision to inspire and lead a people to a better future. While Mia tells you what to fear, she has no vision on how to lead. Don't run with Mia. Run away and towards a brighter future. Vote for Doug Owens for a brighter tomorrow. Loren M. Lambert
© November 1, 2014
Comments....
Randall Adams: "Tuesday night after rising GOP star Mia Love brought down the house with her inspiring convention speech, the stomach-turning Left labeled the black conservative a “token” and an “Aunt Tom.” Meanwhile, revoltingly racist, woman-hating Wikipedia vandals were hard at work updating her entry with disgusting slurs like “House Nigger” and “dirty, worthless whore who needs instant payday loans.” The page called her a “total sell-out to the Right Wing Hate machine and the greedy bigots who control the GOP.” Yup Loren, Mia Love knows the "The Language of Tyrants" well! November 2, 2014 at 7:23pm
Loren M. Lambert: @Randall I've listened to her a number of times and I've talked to many about her and, I nor they, have said such a thing. I disagree with her positions on many issues and it is apparent that beyond what appears to be memorized sound bites, there is no intellectual depth to her own opinions nor understanding of the issues. November 2, 2014 at 7:25pm
Randall Adams And that makes her a "Tyrant" ??? To answer your question Chris, you, Loren and many who read this thread might want to start with a mirror............. November 2, 2014 at 8:05pm
Chris Adler I never said any of those things, so a mirror would be pointless, Randall. Please don't make baseless accusations, complete with "quotes" when you're just making them up. Of course some people use derogatory words against others. It happens regardless of political ideology. I don't use them. Don't try and brand a whole group with your accusations either because that's completely dishonest. November 2, 2014 at 7:32pm
Randall Adams: Take an English class Chris, quotes mean that someone else made those statements. But we agree!!! For you "a mirror would be pointless."
You stated proudly that "some people use derogatory words against others." Try and focus for a moment at the statement that started this exchange..........
"Mia Speaks The Language of Tyrants. Dear Utahns It is the trick of tyrants to create an enemy to rally the fearful against as opposed to having a vision to inspire and lead a people to a better future. While Mia tells you what to fear she has no vision on how to lead" November 2, 2014 at 7:44pm
Loren M. Lambert: Randall, relax man, she's simply wrong. I don't like tyrants nor politicians who rally their base by appealing to their fears- democrats or republicans or others. I didn't say she was tyrant. I said she was borrowing a tactic from their playbook. As do people selling security systems, insurance, etc. And frankly, I'm just toying with you. Yet she still has no intellectual depth nor correct stand on the issues, and she is more about what she is against then what she is for. That’s my opinion based on listening to her. And I support Doug Owens. Go Doug, hope he wins but if he doesn't, what can I say, this is Utah. November 2, 2014 at 8:06pm
Chris Adler: Randall, you're a dishonest fellow. Not interested in discussing this with you any longer. November 2, 2014 at 8:16pm
Dean Probst: This coming from a guy who claimed Obama was one of the most intelligent men in politics? November 2, 2014 at 10:17pm
Loren M. Lambert: If you are referring to me, Dean, I still feel that despite my disagreements with him, despite the unfair attacks against him, despite his imperfections, despite his inability to be the God people expected him to be who voted for him, despite that congress has done everything to destroy him; he has met my expectations, and I stand behind him as having accomplished significant advances for the American people. November 2, 2014 at 10:43pm
Loren M. Lambert: @Randall, at your suggestion, I went and stood before a mirror. Unfortuantely, all I saw was an imperfect, fallable yet earnest person staring me back in the face who is fairly law abiding, hard working, has met or worked with and appreciated every person commenting to this thread and like them all. I just assert the right to speak passionately about the public figures who run for office and to support who I believe is the best candidate, Doug Owens. Go Doug! Let's hope Utah does the right thing despite my well meaning but still nevertheless wrong-on-this-choice fellow Uthans. Oh, yes, and at times I have been a bit of a tyrant in small ways to some of the people in my life, but I have usually recognized it, apologized, and moved on. How bout you Randall Adams? How are you coming on perfection? November 2, 2014 at 10:57pm
D. Michael Martindale: You can tell how effective Mia Love will be by the level of vitriol the left spews against her. They're afraid of her.
November 3, 2014 at 12:56am
Ron NeislerL: Based on that criteria, Obama must be the greatest President of all times. November 3, 2014 at 5:47am
D. Michael Martindale: The only problem, Ron, is what you're calling "vitriol" against Obama is legitimate criticism. What is being uttered against Love is genuine vitriol. The difference is legitimate criticism has meaningful intent to it, where the vitriol is just full of nastiness like "the language of tyrants."
November 3, 2014 at 8:08am
Walter Platz: I haven't seen any discussion of the issues. It started with generalized vitriol toward and no facts about Mia Love and it continues. Liberals have no tactics other than driving hatred for conservatives of all colors. There are no incumbents running in this race.
If you are voting against the incumbent party for this seat, you will vote Republican. Jim Matheson was the incumbent. He's not running. It was President Obama who said his policies, liberal policies, are on the ballot and his Democrat cronies will support him. They just can't say it, he says, until after the election.
If you like Obamacare, the VA run lack-of-healthcare system, the IRS silencing political opponents, apologists for the greatness of America, amnesty for illegal immigrants, the EPA driving businesses out of business, government battling against the Keystone pipeline, or just the general incompetence of big government, then I'd vote Democrat.
It's not just President Obama and Harry Reid either. Big liberal government fails every time it's tried, But liberals think there is another Messiah coming that will make it work the next time. It fails again and again and another Messiah is on the way again and again. Liberal voters keep believing big government will solve their problems and they are bribed off of the economic ladder and continue living in poverty. And the establishment Republicans keep saying they want to work with those liberals and they do, always compromising to increase taxes, make government bigger and steal more money from the real problem solvers, the producers, the makers, and the creators.
No one in government has all of the answers or even knows the questions. But one person, one business knows of one problem and solves that one problem and makes our lives better one product or service at a time. I know my problems. Let me figure out how to solve them. I do a much better job of that than anyone in Washington or anywhere else in government. I just want government to stop making things worse, enforce the laws they swore to uphold, and stop trying to run my life with more laws and more taxes. November 3, 2014 at 2:23pm
Loren M. Lambert D. Micheal wrote me: "I see you've blokced me from responding on the Mia Love thread. Put your last potshot at me in and then silence me. Not very sporting of you. I would have posted: Is it vitriol? Or is it frustration at the vitriol of others?" I responded, “That's weird. I didn't block you. Try again. Let me see what happened. No, D. Michael, I don't care and I don't take it personally. I think you are a very smart person with very outspoken and sometimes shrill opinions.
November 3, 2014 at 3:26pm
Loren M. Lambert Walter Platz, please quote me and then explain how it "drives hatred?" I don't and didn't intend to set forth all of her substantive comments and won't try to persuade you substantively. It wouldn't do any good in this forum. I've just noticed Mia talks a lot about what she is against not what she would do differently. If you believe otherwise, that's fine. I just challenge all to listen to her and decide for yourself. November 3, 2014 at 3:30pm
Loren M. Lambert: @Walter, ps I don't hate you man. Let's go pretend to smoke a doobie sometime together? Cool? (Inside joke). November 3, 2014 at 3:31pm
Loren M. Lambert: Doug Owens, the right choice for conservative Utahns.
November 3, 2014 at 3:56pm
D. Michael Martindale: Apparently it did post it above. At least I see it now. Don't know why it said it was unable to post at the time. November 3, 2014 at 5:16pm
Walter Platz: "Tyrant" drives hatred. I don't know any lovable tyrants. Creating an "enemy to rally the fearful" drives hatred. "Create" is the real hateful word, implying she made it up. Don't drive hatred. Instead of saying Mia Love "created" imaginary tyrants and enemies, tell me exactly what she said that makes you believe that she did and argue against it. I'm willing to listen if you tell me what she said that makes you believe she has unjustly created some tyrant and enemy. Using "tyrant" and "creating an enemy" is creating hatred towards her right out of the 60 year old Democrat playbook. It might still work if she wasn't a successful black woman. Then, if you will, defend the actions of the IRS who silenced the opposition in the last election denying them the right to participate by delaying their tax exempt status. That is an admitted and proven fact. And everyone in the country should be against that and the party that created it. That is a real enemy and it should be feared. If you can't defend the actions, don't project hatred on the opposition pretending they have created some nonexistent enemy. Tell me, what does Doug Owens stand for? Is he for Obamacare? Is he for amnesty? Is he for higher taxes? Is he for bigger government? Those are Obama policies. The President said his policies are on the ballot. I haven't seen anything Owens is for on these positions. All I hear from Democrats is that conservatives hate women and minorities and will take their rights away. As I understand Mia Love's positions, she stands for lower taxes and smaller government and that's what I'm for. She doesn't have to be for anything else as far as I'm concerned. Tell me what she's against that you or Owens are for and afraid of. I don't want arrogant candidates who tell me they have all of the answers and all it takes is another big government program and more money. I am not so naive as to believe Mia Love will deliver, but better to have someone who is for smaller government and lower taxes than someone who is against it. I'm not voting for her. I don't live in her district. I just get tired of the hate against conservatives. November 3, 2014 at 6:16pm
Marc Niceler: I am pretty sure its because she is black. Loren has lots of conservative friends as can be seen on this thread. November 3, 2014 at 8:14pm
Dean Probst: Let the tyranny begin... I gladly voted for Mia! I watched the debates, I listened to each present their views, then I watched Doug run commercials that misrepresented Mia's positions. I would rather have a tyrant in office than a politician willing to say anything to get elected. At least I know what to expect... November 5, 2014 at 7:19am
Loren M. Lambert: We all hear and see what we want. It’s not hard to be an ideologue. I'm sure if Mia shuts her mouth by not speaking off script and votes the party line, she'll please Utahns. November 5, 2014 at 9:10am
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